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Monday, September 29, 2014

"Gracie Torrance - my experience training there" by jkd_guy

Excerpted from Underground's BJJGround:


Thanks to "12", I was able to get a free month of training at Gracie Torrance. (but due to work, only went to about 6 classes)
One of the instructor's there is actually 12's son. Only had 1 class with him, but he was a cool, funny guy who knew his stuff.

First off, a basic intro on the curriculum of the school.

There are 4 types of classes:

  • Gracie Combatives (beginner class/gi only)
  • Master Cycle (blue and up)
  • Bully Proof (kids class)
  • Women Empowered (women’s class)

As a white belt, I only attended the Gracie Combatives class.
The curriculum is broken down into 23 lessons/classes.
Each class contains 2 moves:

  • Standup move – such as getting the clinch, a takedown, etc
  • Ground move – either a submission move (armbar, armericana) or a positional move (passing guard, mount escape)

I've been to a number of different BJJ schools throughout the US, such as Renzo's, place in Atlanta, etc...

All those schools had the same format - one hour class:
  • 10 minute of warmups - situps, shrimping, jumping jacks, etc...
  • sometimes they have 5 minutes of takedown practice
  • technique 1 - work with partner on it
  • technique 2 - work with partner on it
  • last 20-30 minutes of rolling

Gracie Torrance was a different format:
  • 15 minutes of practice of previous class (half on standup move, half on ground move)
  • Then Everyone lines up against the wall
  • Then the instructor goes over move 1, and then asks everyone who has taken the class before to step forward.
  • He then tells the people who stepped forward to pick someone still standing against the wall as their partner for the class
  • Everyone does move 1
  • Instructor then goes over move 2 (ground move)
  • Everyone does it – instructor gives a variation on the move (i.e. mount escape if someone is holding your collar, then if the guy has his arm around your head, etc…)
  • After everyone does move 2, that’s about the end of the class (one hour)

After you attend X number (I don’t remember the number) of the beginner class, then you can attend the Friday beginner class, which (I believe) starts to chain together the moves, rather than doing each move in a silo.

So its pretty similar to other BJJ places, except no rolling.
That’s done in the Master Cycle class.

That difference is the biggest difference and I think most ppl will be split in their feelings on it.
Some people will think: “This SUCKS, I want to ROLL!!”
Other might be like: “Cool, I can learn my moves without someone going crazy trying to submit me”

In my opinion, I think their format is better for a total newbie - how often does a beginner who only knows 2 moves has a worthless rolling session where he's just a training dummy.
Their method allows someone to train for a month or two before they go to the Friday class and start chaining the moves together, then after 6 months or so, once they have done all the classes/moves 3 times or more, they start rolling.

As for the people there, everyone I met was very nice and friendly.
In the class, there is an instructor and an assistant instructor, but then there were one or two high belt people walking around to give pointers.

No egos, other schools I went to, there were a bit more egos, a bit more “I want to crush you” while rolling and even while drilling (not everyone at those schools, one or two folks)

Overall it’s a school I definitely would like to attend, but unfortunately due to work I cannot sign a year contract, and the monthly price without a contract is too high for me.

But I do recommend others go, they have a trial membership - free 10 day trial and they give you a gi. If you sign up after the 10 days, you keep the gi, otherwise you return the gi and thats it.




12 posted:

that about sums it up,thank you for giving it a try.have a nice day




jkd_guy posted:

One thing I forgot to mention, every month they print out the schedule for the month.
i.e.
9/15 class is class #5
9/16 - class 6
9/17 - class 7.....this way you know exactly what will be taught that day if you want to review before class, or if you miss class you know what they covered that day, etc...




Saturday, September 20, 2014

Josh Barnett: "I am a Catch Wrestler."

For your edification, recently Josh Barnett posted to the Underground's BJJGround about his grappling...





Excerpted from Underground's BJJGround:

KidPittsburgh posted:

http://www.bjjee.com/articles/josh-barnett-jiu-jitsu-is-with-the-gi-without-a-gi-its-whatever-else-for-no-gi-catch-wrestling-is-the-way-to-go/



Full article here.

How would you describe the differences, in a fundamental capacity, between catch and jiu-jitsu? Where are they similar and where are they different?

As much as I will say catch really is more of a violent art opposed to the gentle art of jiu-jitsu, when it comes to jiu-jitsu at the highest level, it’s so funny. Everyone talks about all this skill and technique and gentleness, man, the top dudes in Brazilian jiu-jitsu, they all do the same techniques that a lot of folks do, especially if they’re all the same belt levels, except they do them all stronger, faster, harder. There’s a ton of strength dudes in all the games of all the top jiu-jitsu guys. It just wouldn’t work otherwise.

It’s the absolute truth. I think it was Karl Gotch who said “technique within strength”. If you lack the strength to pull the technique off against your opponent, then it won’t work. I remember from a very young age rolling with some of the best jiu-jitsu guys in the world whenever I got a chance to, and just being like, ‘Well, for an art that’s supposed to be so gentle, these guys feel like they’re fuel-injected, super charged funny cars going hauling ass, doing everything to discard everything in their path that they possibly can whenever the opportunity arises.’

So, I guess they’re not all that dissimilar from what we do, but the catch wrestler, we try to punish you, break you down, wear you out. You want to be as heavy on top as you can absolutely be, you want your opponent to carry as much of your weight as you can because that’s exhausting. It wears a person out. It doesn’t give them the opportunity to rest in a position and gather their wits.

The other thing is using the elbows, the shins, the bones of your body to crank and discomfort, apply pain to a person with the properly used half of an elbow when you’re on top in side control, you can maybe use the point of the elbow to dislocate the mandible on somebody’s face. Or drive into the orbital bone on their eye socket and crack it. There’s a lot of techniques like that. If a guy is too tough and he won’t open up, then you find a way to make him open up.

A less violent one, but also effective is simply you’re going for your double wrist lock or kimura, as they call it in jiu-jitsu, and someone’s planting the arm on the mat or they’re putting it on their hip, you can drive the point of your top elbow into the top of the shoulder in the delt[oid muscle], into the connective tissue and there’s a little nerve spot there that’ll actually make their arm straighten out, which can get it off of their hip and allow you to better isolate the arm before going for the submission.




nowaydo posted:

If you know the curriculum in "punishing rides", you'll see Josh displayed it perfectly.

BJJ is so funny. A BJJ player can study wrestling and judo for years, but they are still a BJJ player.

...But, it a Judoka, catchwrestler, shootwrestler, Sambo player or wrestler does BJJ for two weeks, suddenly they are a BJJ player.


So, funny and hypocritical.




Josh Barnett posted:

Judge Mental - I trained a bit with Josh back in 2000-2002. He was def doing BJJ at the time.  He's full of sh!t.

You are the one full of sh!t.

If you were at AMC then you would know for a fact we didn't train BJJ. In fact we prided ourselves in being a non-BJJ school since the BJJ community around us was so derisive and dismissive of us simply because we didn't do it. We were a fight school and we had our own way of doing things that worked well for us...and still does for AMC fighters.

We didn't do Gi. We didn't have BJJ guys teaching. We didn't do BJJ and that includes me.

In that just because you are doing an achilles lock (straight footlock for you BJJ guys) it doesn't make someone a Catch Wrestler the same goes that if you are working from the bottom scissors (Guard) it doesn't make you a BJJ player.

Moves often appear across many combat arts...the body can only move so many different ways. It's application and philosophies in how styles really tend to differ.


Josh




Josh Barnett wrote:

For any that feel the need to try and discredit me being a Catch Wrestler,



If it makes you feel better to say that I do/did/train BJJ and/or that I train under a BJJ coach then go right ahead.

But Catch is not marketing or a gimmick for me. I am a Catch Wrestler. I train under the philosophies and concepts of Catch-As-Catch-Can and apply them to the modern competitive combat environment. No BJJ guy has ever rolled with me and said "That was just BJJ you used to wrestle me. You do things just like a BJJ guy would." Everyone who has trained with me knows the difference in what I do. No one who has taken my seminars has ever said "We are clearly just doing BJJ here".

I don't train in BJJ. Paulson doesn't train me in BJJ. Paulson has a background in it but even still, he teaches his own style called Combat Submission Wrestling and a lot of that is still Catch derived.

My lineage is Karl Gotch>Yoshiaki Fujiwara>Minoru Suzuki/Masakatsu Funaki/Pancrase>Matt Hume>Me

Billy Riley>Billy Robinson>Me

Karl Gotch>Satoru Sayama>Yorinaga Nakamura> Erik Paulson

Add in a slew of wrestling coaches, a few Judo coaches and you have where the bulk of my grappling teaching came from.

You can try to say whatever you want in regards to me doing Catch vs BJJ and such but now that you doing so in because you wish to despite proof otherwise.


Josh




Josh Barnett:

Judge Mental -
I used to go to all the TOny Cechinne and Matt Fury type seminars back then. Josh you know you didn't just train at AMC, you went to seminars and rolled at other schools too!!



I'll just leave it at that.


Thad?



Only seminar I went to was Erik Paulson's and I only trained at AMC and at one point Maurice Smith's a couple days a week to spar.

One time I went to Juliano Prado's school to meet him and see if he had any fighters that may want to compete or even himself as I was doing booking for shows. I took his one class and rolled with hima little and then we hung out. Hardly a basis for a BJJ background.


Josh




Josh Barnett:

Meatgrinder -

Josh Barnett - For any that feel the need to try and discredit me being a Catch Wrestler,


If it makes you feel better to say that I do/did/train BJJ and/or that I train under a BJJ coach then go right ahead.

But Catch is not marketing or a gimmick for me. I am a Catch Wrestler. I train under the philosophies and concepts of Catch-As-Catch-Can and apply them to the modern competitive combat environment.

...

You can try to say whatever you want in regards to me doing Catch vs BJJ and such but now that you doing so in because you wish to despite proof otherwise.


Josh

So you don't train bjj, but did you train bjj? If you did, what rank did you achieve? I had heard that you were a black belt in bjj.


I am NOT trying to discredit your being a catch wrestler. However, I feel that you try to promote catch at the expense of bjj. I'm of the opinion that you've taken a lot of the philsophy, principles and moves of bjj and integrated them with you catch based submissions. I don't think that it has to do with any specific move. I think it has to do more with positioning and philosophy as I stated before:

He focused on the pass and maintaining position. Not once did he dive for a foot. He never bailed on top position to go for the neck, etc. To say that he wasn't doing bjj is laughable. How did he suddenly leave all those skills and philosophy at home? As the name implies Catch is about submission with a disregard for the sacrifice in position. He did the opposite of that.

If you disagree with this, then I'd be interested in hearing why? Thanks.





"I feel that you try to promote Catch at the expense of BJJ."

That's all on you. I always state simply that I am a Catch Wrestler first and foremost and that in my opinion just because you don't do BJJ it doesn't mean you don't know how to grapple. There's no attack on BJJ or any style in that. If anything BJJ is always trying to discredit me and what I say.

As for the techniques I used in Metamoris and philosophies...well with the rule set given I used what was needed. There's only so many ways one can operate. Being a Catch Wrestler doesn't mean diving after a foot all the time or sacrificing position for submission. By your thinking that Catch is about submission with disregard for position I can say you really don't understand what Catch Wrestiling is.

I rode my opponent, attacked his neck with half-nelsons, crossfaces and more all match long. Used cradles, riding pressure with my knees off the mat, kneeled on the neck, ankles, etc. What BJJ curriculum teaches that?

How many ways can one pass a guard? The body only moves so many ways so it's pretty logical that the same method of passing could be done or "invented" by anyone. If I stay in your guard you can try to grab onto me, I can't attack the arms as well and I can't put as much weight on you as I'd like. So, I get past the legs first. BJJ may specialize in this position but it can't claim it entirely as it's own (First time I ever saw it was in Judo in 1993). But when you watch BJJ matches you can see how they employ it or even use it as the main offensive position. I, as a Catch Wrestler, would not do that.


Josh




e.kaye posted:

1-I am a Catchwrestler.

2-Josh's point about, "Being a Catch Wrestler doesn't mean diving after a foot all the time or sacrificing position for submission." is THE point. THis always comes up on this forum whenever Catch is discussed. Non-catchwrestler just do not get it. They love to lob this out, like it is some discussion ender. THey do not understand the WRESTLING from position to position.

3-PIns scmins. It is still Catchwrestling without pins. You want to play for pins fine. It is still BJJ without the gi, right? So it is still Catchwrestling without the pins. Pins end games, not fights. I have no time to waste on them, not in it for games. I am happy if you are.




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Wednesday, September 03, 2014

Interesting MMA Facts for the Die Hard MMA Fan Part 1 by ix3623

Over 20 years, ix3623 collected MMA facts and was going to publish an ebook but for reasons explained below, he chose to post the facts free to the Underground forum instead! 99 facts in this installment! Do you think you know your MMA? Are you a die hard MMA fan? Well then, read on!

Excerpted from the Underground - props to ix3623! 

Enjoy!




ix3623 circa Aug 24, 2014:

"i was writing an ebook to sell on amazon of no filler mma facts that i have gathered in the last 20 years from fighters i've spoken to and from other things i have read that have been proven fact. unfortunately, i have been told by my lawyer friend that books like these where you make money and talk about other people, even if they are fact, can get you sued. and since i don't want to be sued, i am now going to post everything i was going to put in the book.. here for you guys...for free. i hope you enjoy it. it was meant to be a nice no filler book that was an easy read..anyways.. enjoy..i will post a little by little so it's not too much at once"



1. Zane Frasier was invited to compete in the UFC because he beat up Frank Dux in the lobby of a karate competition. Frank Dux was the fighter in which the film “Bloodsport” was based on.

2. Gerard Gordeau was invited to compete in the UFC because he was from the same gym as Ernesto Hoost whom the UFC was unable to afford.

3. One of Teila Tuli’s teeth that Gerard Gordeau kicked out just missed Referee John McCarthy’s wife when it flew into the crowd. Speaking of Teila Tuli, he played the part of Kemo in the movie Forgetting Sarah Marshall. He also currently stars on the tv show Hawaiian Five-0 as the character Kamekona.

4. Two of Teila Tuli’s teeth stayed embedded in Gerard Gordeau’s foot following the fight. The medical staff at the event decided to just leave them in and bandage the wound.

5. Big John McCarthy applied to fight in the UFC but was told that Royce Gracie was the only one who could represent jiu jitsu. Unrelated to MMA, John was a police officer during the La riots. A video of him being interviewed can be found on youtube :



6. Big John McCarthy’s “Let’s get it on” was a catch phrase created by boxing referee Mills Lane.

7. Big John McCarthy was the person who insisted that fights ended once a fighter could no longer intelligently protect themselves. Prior to that, he was only there as a referee to stop the fight only when a fighter was submitted, ko’ed, or a towel was thrown in.

8. Following his victory against Rumina Sato at a shooto event, Joachim Hansen threw his mouth piece at the crowd which ended up hitting Caol Uno’s mother in the head.

9. At the Pride FC event Final Conflict 2004, Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira arrived late for his fight after being stuck in traffic. As a result, his twin brother, Antonio Rogerio Nogueira did his walk in for the opening ceremony.

10. The term “lay and pray” was coined by Stephen Quadros during a match between Kazuyuki Fujita and Gilbert Yvel during Pride Fc 12.

11. Emelianko Fedor’s first official loss was against Tsuyoshi Kohsaka via doctor’s stoppage due to a cut at 17 seconds into the fight. Footage showed that the cut was actually cause by an elbow which was against the rules. Since the event was a tournament, a clear winner needed to advance as draws and no contests would not allow a fighter to advance. Since Fedor could not advance due to his cut, Kohsaka moved on. As a result, Fedor had this entered as a loss instead of a no contest. Randy Couture was also in this tournament but lost to Valentijn Overeem.

12. Shooto is credited as the first mixed martial arts organization.

13. The first fighter to wear traditional mma gloves in the UFC was Tank Abbott, although Melton Bowen wore another style of fingerless leather martial arts gloves at Ufc 4.

14. Keith Hackney was considered to be a competitor on the Ultimate Fighter 4. He passed his medicals but was eventually passed on for the show.

15. Fighter Tra Tellingman has no right pectoral. He lost it after a car accident as a child.

16. Fighter Jeremy Jackson’s wife named their son Nick, after Nick Diaz, when Diaz beat Jeremy right before she gave birth. Jeremy Jackson also happened to be a last minute replacement for Nick Diaz on the Ultimate Fighter 4.

17. Johil De Oliveira was scheduled to fight Matt Serra at Pride Fc 9. During his entrance, Johil was injured by pyrotechnics which led to the fight being canceled. Matt Serra was never invited back to fight for Pride fc.

18. When they were both amateurs, Jorge Rivera , who normally fights at 185, defeated heavyweight Tim Sylvia via unanimous decision.

19. Diego Sanchez is a devout follower of personal power guru Tony Robbins’ teachings. His infamous “YES!” chants are a result of his teachings as a way to add belief that he can achieve anything. Pro wrestler Daniel Bryan has mentioned in interviews that his very popular "YES!" catch phrase was inspired by Diego Sanchez.

20. In an attempt to promote the Gracie family, Rorion Gracie did a Playboy article in 1989 where he issued the Gracie challenge and claimed to be the baddest man on the planet.

21. Egan Inoue was a world champion racquetball player prior to competing in jiu jitsu and mma.

22. In a fight between Rich Franklin and Aaron Brink, the fight was stopped because Brink’s leg got caught between the mat and the fence. As a result, the fight ended in a no contest. Unrelated to mma, Brink was the first mma fighter to be in a porn movie.

23. As a child, Chuck Liddell starred in the 1981 movie “The Postman Always Rings Twice”:


24. Shad Smith was the first openly gay mma fighter.

25. The fastest knockout in mma history was 2 seconds when Ryohei Masuda knocked out Takahiro Kuroishi at Rings : The Outsider 2 on July 19, 2008, in Tokyo.

26. On the day of Kevin Randleman’s title defense against Pedro Rizzo at UFC 24, Randleman slipped and fell on concrete while warming up. The fall knocked him unconscious. Randleman ended up being taken to the hospital which led to the cancelation of the fight.

27. Boxers James “Bone Crusher” Smith and Leon Spinks were both considered for UFC 1 before settling with Art Jimmerson.

28. Art Jimmerson wanted to back out of the event once he learned the rules (because he had a fight with Thomas Hearns a month later), but SEG offered him 15,000 dollars just to show. This made him the highest paid fighter to fight in the UFC as most of the other fighters were offered only 1000 dollars for their initial appearance. As Art saw how brutal the fights were during the event, Jimmerson’s corner conspired to throw in the towel at the first sight of trouble, which they did. The towel unfortunately got caught in the fence and the referee did not see it. Jimmerson both verbally and physically tapped out.

28. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira was run over by a truck when he was 11. He was in a coma for four days. As a result of the accident, he lost a rib and part of his liver and was hospitalized for 11 months. Nogueira has a big scar on his body as a result.

29. When Gerard Gordeau kicked Tuli’s teeth out, it not only flew past Big John McCarthey’s wife, but also a group of sponsors from Gold’s Gym, which along with viewing the other brutal fights, led them to pull out of their advertisement deal with the UFC.

30. In his fight against Gerard Gordeau at UFC 1, Royce Gracie did not let go of his choke because in his previous fight against Ken Shamrock, the referee missed Shamrock tapping and also because Royce was infuriated that Gordeau bit Royce during their fight.

31. Prior to the UFC, Dana White was an boxercise instructor. He conducted classes in 3 different gyms in Las Vegas . He also began managing Tito Ortiz and Chuck Liddell. A photo of Dana teaching a boxercise class can be easily found circulating on the internet.

32. While working as a manager, White learned that Semaphore Entertainment Group, the parent company of the UFC, was looking for a buyer. White contacted his childhood friend Lorenzo Fertitta, an executive of Station Casinos and a former commissioner of the Nevada State Athletic Commission. Within a month, Lorenzo, and his brother Frank bought the UFC and appointed Dana as president. The Ufc was bought for 2 million dollars.

33. Jose Aldo received the scar on his cheek when he was a child after his sisters rolled him onto a barbecue pit during a 1986 world cup party

34. The Patrick Smith / Scott Morris fight only ended because Patrick Smith stopped hitting him. John McCarthy didn't have the power to stop the fight as a referee in the early UFC days,and Morris' cornerman stated beforehand that they would never throw in the towel. They looked away when McCarthy looked at them and motioned for them to throw in the towel. With Morris all but unconscious and not in a state to submit, Smith simply got up and walked away, ending the fight.

35. Weight classes were introduced in the UFC at UFC 12.

36. Rorion Gracie tried to replace Royce Gracie with Rickson at UFC 3. The decision was made but Rickson then wanted more money from Rorion to fight. When he did not receive this, he parted ways with his family and stopped cornering and training Royce.

37. Kimo entered UFC 3 only weeks before the event when Joe Son went to Art Davie's office (shirtless and driving a convertible Porsche) and convinced him to let Kimo on the show. Davies agreed solely on Kimo's appearance. Kimo was only a street fighter with zero credentials, but was elevated to 3rd degree black belt (Tae Kwon Do) for the event.

38. The Giant cross that Kimo brought to the ring was not supposed to have been brought to the octagon. David Isaac, who worked for the company, didn't want fighters bringing in props because he didn't want the UFC to resemble Pro Wrestling. When a huge box came in, Joe Son told SEG that the box contained training equipment. It was in fact the cross.

39. Kimo wrote an apology letter to the Gracie family after he ran into the ring and celebrated with Joe Son when Royce was unable to continue the tournament. Relson Gracie confronted Joe Son and challenged him to a fight due to the disrespect which is what resulted in Kimo writing the letter in order to clear the air.

40. Tank Abbott got his nickname as a reference from the film "Every Which Way but Loose". He was compared to Tank Murdock. His discipline of "Pit Fighting" was a made up term by Art Davie to use instead of "Street Fighter".

41. Tank was suspended by the UFC for an altercation he had with Allan Goes. If that wasn't bad enough, Tank's girlfriend got into an argument with John McCarthy's wife Elaine over the occurrence. When Tank returned and found out about the argument, he approached Elaine and threatened to kill her. This prompted Big John to force UFC'S hand and say "either he goes or I go". Ultimately, Tank got a paid suspension from fighting and ended up signing a letter of apology to make amends. Other known incidents concerning Tank Abbott include an incident with Patrick Smith in which Tank and 3 other men attacked Smith in an elevator for talking trash. Tank was also in an incident with Wallid Ismail which was separated.

42. Felix Lee Mitchell wanted to wear boxing gloves in his fight against Ken Shamrock and even wore them into the octagon. He was forced to remove them as they were not cleared beforehand by John McCarthy.

43. Dan Severn had no professional fighting record to speak of prior to entering the UFC. He filled out an application from a magazine he saw in order to apply. There was no wrestling category in the application so he checked "other". Because Dan Severn had no prior fighting experience, the UFC made him sign a contract stating that "In case of your accidental death, we are not liable". Severn trained for the UFC with pro wrestler Al Snow (who also cornered Severn for a few of his fights).

Pics of Pro wrestler Al Snow cornering Dan Severn in the UFC, etc.




44. At 52 years old, Ron Van Clief couldn't persuade the UFC to allow him to fight because of his age. In order to convince them, Van Clief agreed to enter the New York marathon to prove his athleticism. The UFC said if he was able to, he would be allowed to fight in the UFC. Van Clief went on to complete the marathon and fight in the UFC as a result.

45. Andy Anderson, who is best known for his fight against John Hess at UFC 5, was a millionaire who owned several businesses, including the totally nude steak house in Longview, Texas. The city paid Andy money to shut the very popular business down.

46. In 2001, Brian Johnston collapsed from a stroke while preparing a training partner for a pro wrestling match. He was given a 50% chance of survival. In addition, doctors said that even if he did survive, he would have been in a vegetative state. Today, with his nickname "Miracle", he is able to move around unassisted.

47. Vitor Belfort burst onto the scene as a 19-year-old using the ring name of Victor Gracie and billed as the adopted son of Vale Tudo legend Carlson Gracie ." This made the other Gracies furious because Vitor was not a real Gracie. In a later interview, Vitor stated that out of respect to his father, he stuck with his real name although he told Carlson that he was honored that he wanted to have Vitor carry the Gracie name. It is believed though that he stopped using the Gracie name due to pressure from the rest of the Gracie family.

48. Gary Goodridge was offered the status of 4th degree black belt in kuk sool won (along with a free gi) if he was willing to represent their school in the UFC. He accepted. His only true credentials coming into the UFC were arm wrestling and some boxing.

49. During UFC Ultimate Japan, John McCarthy halted the bout between Conan Silveira and Kazushi Sakuraba, believing Sakuraba was hurt while on the ground and covering, though Sakuraba was fine. McCarthy admitted his mistake, but the decision was made. Sakuraba was so upset after the loss that he refused to leave the octagon for more than 45 minutes during the show. The japanese crowd was irate, and later on in the show, the UFC decided to make it a no contest and have them come back and fight again later on in the show. Sakuraba won the second contest by armbar.

50. Although Todd Duffee and Chan Sung Jung officially hold the record for fastest UFC KO (7 seconds), Duane Ludwig ko'ed Johnathan Goulet in even less time. The record was not recorded because the timekeeper made an error and recorded the official time of stoppage at 11 seconds. "Dana White did a little time keeping of his own in one of his UFC 141 video blogs and concluded that Ludwig was indeed the rightful owner of the UFC's fastest knock out, which he timed at 6.26 seconds. Though the NSAC won't alter the record books in favor of Ludwig, "Bang" says that as long as Dana White and the UFC brass acknowledge it, that's all that matters to him."

51. The new quickest mma ko is 1.13 seconds in a fight between Mike Garrot and Sam Herron at WCMMA 14 (warrior challenge). Only thing is that it was a semi pro/ amateur fight and the organization stopped the clock after the kick ko instead of when the ref stopped it and waved the fight off which was after 2 seconds. so take this fact however you want. you can watch the videos below for more info and your opinion.


52. During a fight between Kazushi Sakuraba and Yoshihiro Akiyama , Sakuraba complained throughout the fight that Akiyama was slippery and protested to the referee the entire fight claiming that Akiyama was cheating. Following the fight the referee inspected Aikiyama to discover that he was indeed slippery. It was later found that Akiyama did indeed cheat by rubbing his entire body with lotion which he would let dry so that it would be left unnoticed coming into the ring. Once Akiyama began to sweat though, it would be almost impossible to grab a hold of him. Akiyama later apologized and claimed that he did not know that applying lotion was against the rules. The fight was changed to a no contest.

53. John Williams holds three mma records which consist of oldest mma fighter debut, oldest active mma fighter, and oldest mma fighter to win a fight. He fought at the age of 70. There have been many accusations that the fight was staged and that the oldest mma fighter title should go to Skip Hall who had fought at the age of 63.

54. With 299 fights under his belt, Travis Fulton holds the record for most mma fights, earning himself the nickname "The Iron Man". Travis also holds the record for most ko's (92) and most submissions (151) in mma.

55. Mixed martial artist Jason David Frank was formerly the green ranger (Tommy) on the tv show "Mighty Morphin Power Rangers".

56. At Vale Tudo Japan '95, 154 pound Japanese Fighter Yuki Nakai took on UFC 1 finalist Gerard Gordeau in the first round. Gordeau gouged Nakai's eyes so bad that he suffered permanent blindness in one of his eyes. He still won this fight by heelhook and his next fight by armbar before losing to Rickson Gracie by armbar in the finals. After the fight, Rickson said that he purposely did not hit Yuki in the face out of respect. Yuki avoided interviews for years out of fear that it would make a negative impact on mma.

57. In an attempt to promote the UFC, UFC fighters Tim Sylvia, Wes Sims, Pete Spratt, Ricco Rodriguez, Tiki Ghosn, and Josh Thompson were on an episode of Blind Date. According to Urijah Faber, Nick Diaz was asked to be one of the fighters to do the show but he refused. "Nick had a girlfriend at the time and they wanted him to go on there for publicity and he wouldn't do it."

Some of the videos:

Tim Sylvia



Tiki Ghosn



Josh Thompson



Pete Spratt


58. Frank Hamaker (who fought in a UFC 2 dark match)was a porn theater owner. He won his fight and was set to be on the pay per view, but he chose not to continue.

59. brad ferro, who punched snooki on the first season of the jersey shore, is an amateur mma fighter.

60. Joe Son starred as the character "Random Task" in the film "Austin Powers: International Man Of Mystery"

61. Douglas Dedge is the first fighter to die as a result of injuries sustained in a mma fight. Dedge was unable to obtain medical clearance to fight in the U.S. so he went abroad to fight. The organization he fought for was unsanctioned. After the fight, Dedge died 2 days later from severe brain injuries at the Kiev Institute of Neurosurgery. It is said that in 1981, Alfredo Castro Herrera, a 15 year old, died in an unsanctioned fight which was described as "boxing mixed with karate and judo" . Many do not consider this to have been a mma match.

62. The man in the sex tape with Kendra Wilkinson from the tv show "the Girls Next Door" is a mma fighter named Justin Frye.

63. In 1994, SEG, who owned the UFC, took a chance on David Hasselhoff's singing career and made a pay per view for it. The event could never be measured for success as it was cut short by OJ Simpson driving his Bronco on the same evening.

64. Lee Murray was involved in the biggest bank heist in the history of the U.K.. As a result, Murray was sentenced to 10 years in a Moroccan prison. This sentence was then extended to 25 years in 2010.

65. On May of 2007, Roger Huerta was the first mma fighter to grace the cover of Sports Illustrated magazine to showcase SI's first story of the rising popularity of mixed martial arts.

66. At a charity event, Bas Rutten accidently stepped on football player Brian Urlacher's foot. Bas apologized but Urlacher refused to accept his apology. Bas tried to make peace but Urlacher instead told Bas if he wanted to "take this outside". Bas laughed and replied yes. The bouncers diffused the situation by informing Urlacher who Bas was. Urlacher quickly apologized.

67. UFC ring announcer Bruce Buffer has a black belt in Tang Soo Do and has fought as a kickboxer.

68. Although Rickson Gracie claims to be undefeated in all competitions, he has at least one loss from the 1993 Sambo championships in Norman, Oklahoma. Rickson was defeated by american Ron Tripp with an uchi-mata in 45 seconds. Rickson disputed this loss, claiming he was misinformed of the rules of the event.

69. Following Renzo Gracie and Ben Spijkers fight at WCC 1, Renzo stepped on Spijker's neck to teach him a lesson for prank calling / taunting / insulting him prior to their fight.

70. Following Charles Crazy horse Bennett's win over Ken Kaneko, whom was trained by Chute Boxe, there was an altercation between Bennett and Chute Boxe fighter Cristiano Marcello backstage. The end result was Marcello choking Bennett out. Bennett has claimed in interviews that when he woke up he saw Wanderlai Silva standing on top of him and that he knocked Silva out. There is no video proof of the latter although there is edited video proof of Bennett getting choked out by Cristiano.


71. One of Andre Arlovski's infamous quotes in response to Tim Sylvia dating his ex girlfriend was actually "How tastes my beep beep beep", not "How tastes my pee pee".

72. Tony Halme who faced Randy Couture at UFC 13 was Ludvig Borga of the World Wrestling Federation. Halme committed suicide in 2010.

73. The song "feiticeira" by the deftones was actually written about a character played by Joana Prado, who is VItor Belfort's wife. Nick DIaz walked out to this song against Carlos Condit.


74. Mike Rowe, who is best known for the Tv show "Dirty Jobs", was the narrator for the show "Ultimate Fighter" between 2005 and 2010.

75. Zuffa is an actual word that means "scuffle" in Italian.

76. During one of his podcasts, Joe Rogan said that he was once approached by Pride FC to be an announcer. Joe declined as he did not want to work in Japan.

77. The man behind the infamous "double rainbow" viral video, which has millions of views on youtube, is mixed martial artist Paul "Hungry Bear" Vasquez. Long before the double rainbow video, he was already known (although not by name) by the mma community after he was a victim of photoshoppers in the following picture:




78. Ricco Rodriguez mentioned in an interview that he believes that he would never be asked back to the UFC due to how he almost put the UFC out of business:

" Dana holds grudges pretty well, and he has his reasons. I don't blame him. The truth is that I almost single handedly tore down the UFC at one point of my career.

I wore a henna tattoo (that read GoldenPalace.com in big bold letters) in my fight against Randy Couture, and at that time, the UFC was literally just building itself, we were only at 60,000 pay-per-view purchases [per event]. The Mohegan Sun and the Indian tribe allowed that fight to go on, and the truth is, they almost stopped that fight from happening. If that would have been the case, then I would have single-handedly destroyed the UFC.

…First of all, Lorenzo Fertitta, they own casinos, so when you own a casino, you have certain laws that are very strict…If you remember this fight, Bernard Hopkins vs. Felix Trinidad, Bernard Hopkins just got out of jail, he was approached by GoldenPalace.com to wear a henna tattoo. He took the $100,000 that they gave him, and he bet it on himself. He was a 4-1 underdog and he won the fight, and he won $400,000 plus his regular purse. So when the opportunity presented itself to me, I did the same exact thing. I was a 5-1 underdog, so I gambled on myself and I won that fight. And I made more than the UFC would have ever paid me. The UFC paid me $30,000 to show and $30,000 to win, and I put all my money on myself and I won half a million.

So there’s a lot of things that people don’t understand. And this is why Dana White will never let me back in the UFC, and I totally understand. I respect that, and it is what it is. The truth of the matter is, is that Lorenzo Fertitta came and did a walk with me right before the fight, and you know how terrifying that was when Lorenzo Fertitta walked with me?…"

79. Nobuhiko Takada and his wife, japanese television personality Aki Mukai, had two twin boys through ivf in which an american woman gave birth to their twins. It was the third in vitro fertilization by Mukai (39 years of age at the time) who had her womb removed in 2000 due to cancer.

80. At Syrcuse University, Mark Kerr was the division 1 wrestling champion at 190 pounds in 1992. The man that he defeated for this title was Randy Couture.

81. In an interview, Aleksander Emelianko talked about how he would often hunt / kill bears with nothing more than a knife and a stick. He began doing this after watching it being done on tv.

82. Khabib "The Eagle" Nurmagomedov used to wrestle bears as a child:


Khabib recently re enacted this in a video after he admitted that it was indeed him in the video that was circulating on the internet wrestling a bear as a child :


83. In an interview, Chuck Liddell revealed the origin of his trademark mohawk. He explained that when he went to a Slayer concert with his friends, they all decided to shave their heads. Chuck was reluctant and decided on a mohawk instead. He also explained why he got the tattoos on his head. He explained that he wanted to show the tattoo off to people without having to take his shirt off. He also wanted to put it in a place where he could easily hide it since he was in accounting and he may have needed to go on job interviews later on. Chuck Liddell on the meaning of his tattoo : "It says Koei-Kan which is the martial arts style I started in first. It means a place of peace and prosperity.

84. This is random and not in the book, but former UFC ring girl Logan Stanton seems to have a deformed finger on her right hand. It is common for people who have broken their fingers although it is unknown if that is the reason. She tends to hide that hand in her modeling pictures. Below is a picture / gif. this is just a random post which most people know about.By the way, Logan Stanton, along with Natasha Wicks were fired from the UFC. According to rumors, they were let go because of their comments in interviews including how they believed Josh Koscheck was faking being poked in the eye when he faced Anthony Johnson. These are only rumors.



85. Among Gilbert Yvel's many tattoos is a tattoo of a ko list which tallies the number of people he has knocked out. He adds to the list with every new ko.



86. Jose Aldo also has a similar tattoo in which he adds a skull every time he defeats an opponent. Aldo : "Every time I win a fight, I get one more head tattooed on my shoulder. I'm going to get one more on Saturday, but don't write this, or it'll be too macabre. (laughs)."



87. After many years of bad blood, Tito Ortiz and Dana White were going to have a 3 round boxing match which was a condition in Tito's new contract to return to the UFC. Dana obliged as he was a one time amateur boxer. Dana trained for various months for the boxing match and even posted video blogs of himself training for the fight. Surprisingly, the fight never happened as Tito Ortiz was a no show at the weigh ins. Although many believe that Tito chickened out, Tito claimed that he did not show up because he was not getting any big money for the boxing fight (despite the fact that he was the one that wanted this boxing match to be added to his contract in order to come back to the UFC).

88. According to a recent interview by Ken shamrock, back when War Machine first started mma, he trained at the lion's den. War machine apparently ran away with Ken Shamrock's 18 year old daughter to mexico and left her stranded there. Ken has been trying to get his hands on War Machine ever since.



89. Speaking of Ken Shamrock, early on in his career, Ken was knocked out by pro wrestlers "the nasty boys" . Below are videos of ken shamrock and the nasty boy's versions of the incident.

The Nasty Boy's version :

Ken Shamrock's version:


90. Remco Pardoel stated that at UFC 2, Ryan Parker was telling Gerard Gordeau back in the locker room what he was going to do to his opponent and how he was going to finish the fight. Following his fight vs Pardoel, Gerard asked Parker calmly, "and did it work with the pressure point techniques?".

91. Along with other personal problems, Fred Ettish stated in interviews that the fight result vs Johnny Rhodes made him suicidal due to how people made jokes about him due to how badly he was beaten during the fight. Ettish redeemed himself in 2009 with a win over mma fighter Kyle Fletcher. An interesting documentary of Fred Ettish can be found below. Very much worth watching as it displays a different side of Fred Ettish than the one many remember him as:


History Of MMA: Fred Ettish
from History of MMA on Vimeo.

92. Speaking of Remco Pardoel, when I asked him if there was any fight that he wanted that would have him come out of retirement, he said that he wanted a rematch with Marco Ruas. He has been trying to get a rematch with Ruas ever since their first fight as he believed that Ruas cheated due to greasing his entire body. Greasing was a common way of cheating in the early mma days where fighters would rub oil or lotion on their bodies, let it dry, and then become almost impossible to grab once they begin to sweat.

93. Keith Hackney applied to the UFC after seeing an ad in magazine. Event Organizers told him that the roster was full but that they would keep him in mind if a slot opens up. Hackney was called 1 week prior to his fight against Emmanuel Yarborough. Hackney told them that he would come to fight because he was afraid that if he said no, they would never call him back again.

“We had a press conference Friday. I was kinda sent to the dogs. They had a punch bowl and envelopes with our names in them in a circle,” Hackney said. “Jim Brown was picking them out of the punch bowl at random. The first guy they picked was the sumo guy, and the second was me.. Yarborough’s manager told my kids to break out their piggy banks and bet on him and [jokingly] suggested I take a dive,” Hackney says. “That was funny.” “He (Yarborough) was curling 315 pounds 20 times in a row on camera.” “The announcer was yelling, ‘He has no chokes!’ I’m thinking, ‘You idiot. This guy’s head is bigger than a basketball. Do you know how big his neck is?’ I tried to pound on his head like nails on a roof,” Hackney says. “I put two knuckles into an eye socket. If it was a normal guy, I’d have crushed his skull.”

Hackney was unable to continue due to a broken hand. He was paid 1000 for the fight and was disappointed to learn that if he went into the next match and threw in the towel like Royce Gracie did against Harold Howard, he could have gotten another 5000 dollars.

94. Interesting tidbit on the next UFC event Keith Hackney fought in.

Keith Hackney : "“The lottery bowl -- they bring it out and it’s going in slow motion,” Hackney says. “Apparently, there were some problems with it. They had Royce’s ball in the thing, and it’s like: What is this bulls--t? It’s barely moving, the ball lifts up, and he gets Ron van Clief [for his first opponent]. After that, the machine is working fantastic. I got Joe Son.”

95. According to an interview by Royce, the hardest he's ever been hit was by Keith Hackney. Hackney : "The one time I caught Royce, I thought I’d knocked him out. He was down on the ground and I dropped a bomb on his head, and it had no place to go. I have a picture of him with knuckle marks on his forehead afterward, and he signed it for me. He’s a good guy. Every time he came in, he fought his heart out.”“You have to look at it. I was [grossing] about two million dollars [annually] in the heating business. I could break my hand, leg or back versus that sumo guy. You made $1,000, and there was no insurance, I think, until UFC 6,” he says. “You had to sign a half-inch thick contract, so even if you died, your family couldn’t sue. Basically, they owned you.”

96. The reason why Art Jimmerson wore only one glove according to Campbell McLaren, the first executive producer of UFC.

"He was nervous. He didn't want to do it," McLaren said, explaining how he was able to sign Jimmerson for UFC 1. "I flew out to St. Louis and I met with him. We had a conversation and we went back-and-forth, and finally he goes -- he's a really nice man, he's a really good guy -- and he goes, ‘I'm buying a house and I need a $15,000 down payment.' I said, ‘I'll give you $15,000 to do the UFC.' He said, ‘Okay, I'll do it.' Just like that."

"I really wanted a boxer," McLaren continued. "I was so naive, I thought Jimmerson was going to kill Royce. I don't mean beat him, I mean actually he might really injure him. If Royce weighed 165 pounds, he had four rolls of quarters in the gi pockets," McLaren continued sarcastically. "He didn't weigh 165 pounds. Maybe with the gi wet and someone else putting their toe was on the scale. I thought he was going to get knocked out. That's how wrong I was. That's how much I knew about it."

The St. Louis, Mo.,-based fighter had won 15 fights in a row prior to UFC 1 and McLaren was adamant in pointing out that Jimmerson was, "the highest-ranked, current, contemporary boxer to enter UFC. I think he was the eighth-ranked in the IBF at Cruiserweight. He was a real, real boxer."

Prior to the beginning of the fight, the telecast showed a promo video of a very confident Jimmerson. "I'm a pro boxer and that's how I'm going to win," he boasted. "Being a fighter, I punch hard, I'm fast and I'm quick. You can't hit what you can't see."

McLaren noticed Jimmerson, "was a different man walking out that night." What he didn't know, until referee "Big" John McCarthy gave up the ghost -- while the two were talking about the good ‘ole days at Invcita FC 6 over the summer -- was the fact that a conversation took place prior to the now famous quarterfinal matchup between Gracie and Jimmerson.

McCarthy was not yet a referee at the inaugural UFC event -- he was there because he was a training partner of Gracie. Jimmerson was "pumping him for information," McLaren said, before dishing on the details of the backstage tete-a-tete.

"Big John said, 'you know what he's going to do to you right?'" McLaren said, re-telling the story he only recently became privy to. "Jimmerson said, ‘what's he going to do?' and he was dancing around and doing boxing moves. Big John said, ‘You ever get in a clinch in a boxing match?' Jimmerson said, ‘yeah, the ref breaks it up.' Big John goes," In this they're not going to break it up when he grabs you. He's going to have his arms on you. They're not going to break that up. The ref doesn't break that up in this fight.' Jimmerson goes, ‘what?' Big John said, "He's going to shoot in. He's going to grab you. You are going to get one chance to hit him, and if you miss, he's going to be all over you.' Jimmerson said, ‘He's going to break my arm isn't he?' Big John said, ‘Yeah, he's going to break your arm.'

"That's when he decided to wear the one glove," McLaren revealed. "To make sure we could see him tapping with the other hand. Walking with him to the Octagon, he said, 'If I tap with my glove hand, is it a still a tap?' That's when I knew it wasn't going to work out."

97. Rorion Gracie concerning the beginning of the Ultimate Fighting Championship : "We thought of a moat with alligators. We thought of an arena with sharks around. We seriously thought about an electric fence. But we couldn't in case one guy pushed the other into the moat and he'd get chewed up. We laughed at it, but in Hollywood your mind travels and we just thought of every different possibility... Eventually I settled on the Octagon."

98. Scott Ferrozzo and Tank Abott had a backyard rematch fight which Tank won. A year after this fight, Ferrozzo nearly lost his leg due to a staph infection that he contracted while mowing his grass (which nearly killed him and left him immobilized in a hospital bed for more than a month).

Ferrozzo : "“I spent about 40 days in the hospital, and they amputated most of my foot,” Ferrozzo said. “My foot was just shredded. It looked like a shark had come by and bit it; that’s how bad it was. They were going to amputate my leg but did a good enough job that they [only] took most of my foot. It took about a five- or six-month recovery before I was really able to walk again and resume my life.”

Ferrozzo is currently involved in litigation with the hospital over the ordeal.

“They said that I had gout, but I really had a staph infection,” Ferrozzo said. “It could’ve all been avoided if they would have just done their job.”

“The hospital was responsible for what they did to my foot,” he said.

99. Art Jimmerson on why he wore one boxing glove : "You don't want to hurt your hand because you can make a lot of money off it and you could get a shot at the title. So lets just put on one glove, that way we could just tap him with your left hand and sucker him in with your right hand,’"





There you have it! 99 interesting MMA Facts! Props again to ix3623 for sharing his hard work over the 20 years! 


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Wednesday, August 13, 2014

Josh Barnett's post to the Underground MMA forum after win over Dean Lister at Metamoris 4

Excerpted from http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/

For all who watched Me vs Dean

Or really anyone that followed along.

Last Saturday at Metamoris was a very proud moment for me for a lot of reasons.
Firstly, I am so proud in being able to win the Heavyweight title in the name of all my coaches and for all of Catch Wrestling. I chose to walk out there in the classic attire of the old school pro wrestlers from which I trace my lineage to respect and honor those whom I dedicate this match: the late Billy Robinson and Karl Gotch. The plain black trunks I wore, the robe, and the black boots are in homage to another one of my mentors: Antonio Inoki. Even the towel I had (Which had Inoki's poem "The Road" on it in Kanji) is in respect to Inoki-san.
I couldn't have performed to the best of my abilities without the help of my coach Erik Paulson and the grueling practices and coaching from Jacob Harmon; My training partners (Especially Erik Hammer and Babalu) who pushed me throughout camp and made me fight every day; and Dan Panosian for being willing to get up early and lift me all those days.
Dean Lister is a man I was proud to get the chance to just wrestle with let alone claim a victory over. He is a great wrestler and great guy. I have known and respected Dean for many years and with as much admiration as I have for him, it was a necessity that I got out there and wrestled him at some point in my life. He made me work for anything I got and was always working to set me up for something on the mat out there. I had to wrestle smart and at my best to not end up tapping the mat against such a dangerous grappler.
Lastly, thank you for the persistence and desire to have me wrestle on your show Ralek. Thank you to Metamoris all the people who worked the show. Thank you to James Law and Scott Hirano for their amazing photos. And thank you to all came to support, watched, and cheered us on out there. It makes us as wrestlers happy to leave all out on the mat for you all.

Josh



> Penguin of Death - Did you think Ralek was a little disrepectful to you in the interview?

No. I never took it that way. I think he has a very particular personality that may throw some folks off but he and I have been cool f
or years.

Josh





Ringworm74 posted: "I want to read the poem. Can someone post it?"

Josh replied with:

"Don't fear what happens if you keep going on this road. With fear, there will be no road. If you give one step, the step becomes a road. Go on without fear, then you will find out." - A. Inoki



Josh




Joe Rogan posted this:

"You're a f*cking animal, Josh. That was a beautiful performance and a huge victory for you and also for catch wrestling. F*cking awesome stuff."



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NOTE: Posted 8/14/14 and backdated to 8/13/14 to reflect Josh Barnett's date of post.


Thursday, December 05, 2002

The Definitive Jab thread started by lefthooker

NOTE: I had this thread archived to my 2nd Tripod site ages ago. Tripod took down my second archives. In time, I will be adding to this blog some of the info that was up there. My thanks to someholdsbarred and waise pairasta for their help.

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From: lefthooker
Date: 18-Nov-02 10:37 AM

Introduction to the Jab

The JAB is the most used punch in boxing, this is because the Left JAB (for right handed) people is the punch that is closest to your opponent. Normally thrown with the elbow straight, the punch is the quickest and safest punch that can be thrown. It will set up any other punches that will be thrown in combinations. It can be used either in offense or defense. By adjusting your footwork as you throw the JAB you can to move to different directions in the ring. The punch can be thrown at different speeds, from different angles and you can adjust the about of power behind the punch. The JAB can be a light flicking punch that probes for openings or can be a hard jolt that can almost be a knockout punch on it's own. Some noted boxers that have relied on the use the JAB are Oscar De La Hoya who employed a hard stiff JAB, Floyd Mayweather Jr. who uses a FLICKING JAB to set up his power punch and Larry Holmes who used an UP JAB to raise the chin of his opponent for his power punch. Each JAB was thrown differently but the all had the same result, to set up other punches and help build successful careers.

OFFENSIVE JABS- Offensive Jabs begin when the front foot moves first into a different position, usually a change of angle will result. On the completion of the JAB an attack will commence.

DEFENSIVE JABS- Defensive Jabs begin when the back foot moves first into a different position, usually a change of angle will result. On completion of the JAB you can attack or you can gain further distance.

The Jab – Part 1: The Offensive Jabs

The following will describe the 5 offensive jabs. For a right handed person they will be jabs thrown with the left hand.

The BASIC JAB When the BASIC JAB (I refer to it as the JAB when training) is thrown your relative position does not change. The mechanics of the punch are thus. While standing in your normal stance,

1. Step forward with your left foot about 1 foot pushing off of your right instep.

2. Thrust your left hand straight out at the same time.

3. Turn your right palm to your left to cover your face.

With practice these 3 movements will be done at the exact same time. When the punch is completed, the left hand, left foot and right palm will go back into the position of the original stance. In effect you are throwing a left jab and right block. The right hand will catch any straight punch coming back at you. If you keep the correct distance from your opponent he will be unable to counter you with any other punch other then a jab or possibly a straight right hand. It is possible to place your right hand by your right ear when you jab if your opponent insists on trying to counter you with a left hook. You can even place your right palm by your left ear to counter right hand counters. I suggest you place it in front of your face as it is the most likely target when trying to counter you jab.

The FORWARD JAB: The FORWARD JAB will allow you to gain distance on your opponent. This will allow you to get closer to him while still punching. This will set up quick combinations of hooks and uppercuts. This is especially important when boxing someone who is taller and has a longer reach then you. The only difference between the mechanics of the BASIC JAB and the FORWARD JAB is that upon throwing the punch and stepping with the left foot you do not retract the left foot but bring the right foot forward so that you are in your original stance. This movement will bring you forward, ready for a quick attack upon your opponent.

The BACKWARD JAB: The BACKWARD JAB will allow you to increase the distance between you and your opponent. This will allow you to be at a distance where you cannot be countered directly. This will make your opponent come forward to you if he desires to attack. From then on you can set up pivots and counters to stop his attack. The only difference between the BASIC JAB and the BACKWARD JAB is that upon throwing the punch you dip down slightly and then step back with your right foot about 8 inches. You then bring your left foot back into your original stance. This movement can be very effective as you can punch and see what type of defense your opponent uses against your jab. It is possible to move your right foot to your inside (right) or to your outside (left) this will change your angle. It is good to vary this move, it will make it difficult for your opponent to know which direction you intend to go.

The OUTSIDE JAB: The OUTSIDE JAB will allow you to step diagonally to your left as you jab. This will bring you to an angle so that an attack can be made while your opponent should be on his heels and off balance. The only difference between the BASIC JAB and the OUTSIDE JAB is that instead of stepping directly forward with your left foot, you step forward and to your outside (left) you then pivot on the ball of your left foot and bring your right foot into your original stance. The distance you step and the speed of the pivot will allow you to make the move wider or narrower depending on where you want to end up.

The INSIDE JAB The INSIDE JAB will allow you to step diagonally to your right as you jab. This will bring you to a angle so that an attack can be made to the back of your opponent (if his is right handed). This angle cannot be countered and is very effective. The only difference between the BASIC JAB and the INSIDE JAB is that after you have thrown the punch (while stepping forward) step to your inside (right) with your right foot then pivot slightly to your inside on the ball of your left foot. This will change your angle so that a straight right hand should land cleanly.

HAND POSITIONING The left hand normally is held high, the thumb held about the height of the nose. You can also throw any of the OFFENSIVE JABS from a low position with the hand held just above the waist. This will make the jab come from a different angle and make it harder to block. Any of the above jabs can be thrown in this manner. It is a bit more dangerous and it is imperative that you bring the jab hand back to a HIGH position after you jab so that you can defend against a jab or right hand counter. There are times you can bring the left hand back to the low position it you desire to counter your opponents counter. I will explain this later in the tactics section of this manual.

FLICK JAB The FLICK JAB is a jab that is thrown with the left hand held high (the elbow is at a level of the shoulder with the glove held near your chest), the left hand is thrust out so that the knuckles just touch your opponents face. The hand flicks out and in quickly in a flicking motion. This punch is not powerful but will confuse your opponent as it makes it very hard for him to set himself up to punch back. The flicking jab is used to set up a right hand. This is especially true for boxers that like to use a lot of movement.

The disadvantage of the FLICK JAB is that there is little power to it and it is almost impossible to throw the left hook or the left uppercut after the FLICK JAB is thrown. And because of the angle of the elbow the left hand can not be used for parries. However, it is a good punch to have in your arsenal, used once in a while it will give your opponent something else to think about during a fight.

The Jab – Part 2: The Defensive Jab

The DEFENSIVE JAB is used to keep an on rushing opponent at a distance and allow you to quickly change angles for a counter attack.

The mechanics of the DEFENSIVE JAB are:

1. Throw out the left hand as in the offensive jab.

2. Turn your right thumb so that the right glove is in front of your face.

3. Step back with the right foot about 1 foot while leaving the left foot in place.

4. Bring back the left foot so that you are in your original stance. These 3 steps are done very quickly and almost instantly. With practice it will all flow seemlessly into one move and you will be able to place yourself at a distance from your opponent.

Inside and Outside Defensive Jabs: It is possible to change angles when using the DEFENSIVE JAB. Instead of stepping directly back with the right foot you can step to either the INSIDE or OUTSIDE to change your angle to either direction. This will allow you to set up a right hand and be in excellent defensive position. Practice the DEFENSIVE JAB moving to different angles and setting up the counter. This is a very important tactic and should be a part of every boxers inventory of punches.

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From: Stickgrappler
Date: 18-Nov-02 11:15 AM

cool!!

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From: Bull_in_chinashop
Date: 18-Nov-02 11:42 AM

Excellent! ttt

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From: 5 o clock shadow
Date: 20-Nov-02 11:30 PM

Lefthooker,

Can the flick jab be kinda like a backhand (backfist)? I saw James Toney use this one a lot from his lead-hand-down, look-over-the-shoulder stance. It almost looked like a backhand.

Also, this is a GREAT thread. The jab is the most important punch in boxing. I also seem to pick up little details from these threads on the basics.

Thanks!

fos



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From: koralwarrior
Date: 21-Nov-02 12:11 AM

lesson in jabs = Marco Antonio Barrera

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From: wanderer
Date: 21-Nov-02 08:39 AM

ttt

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From: 5 o clock shadow
Date: 21-Nov-02 09:03 AM

LEmon,

Care to add your two cents about the "jabber-cut?"

fos

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From: tacticalfighter
Date: 21-Nov-02 11:58 AM

Good posts!

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From: martinburke
Date: 21-Nov-02 02:48 PM

fos-That flick jab is just a quarter-turn of the wrist away from being a backhand.And even a flick jab can be "illegal" if you don't close your fist.

That being said,in a pro fight,it'll depend on the ref,and your reputation,as to whether it gets enforced or not.

I remember talking to an old photographer back toward the end of Ali's career.He mentioned that Sports Illustrated and other mags wouldn't buy many of his Ali pics because they would capture him turning his thumb forward during his open-gloved flick jab.

It wasn't a side of Ali that SI readers wanted to see,I guess.

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From: wanderer
Date: 21-Nov-02 04:42 PM
Edited:21-Nov-02 05:06 PM

martinburke is that true?? Holy shit that blows my mind. Not that I thought Ali would never be dirty, but...he is such an icon that I just wouldn't associate him with doing that.

I guess it's kind of like Marciano hitting Walcott with his forearm..the great ones were great, but they all took a shortcut now and again...:)

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From: LEMon
Date: 22-Nov-02 02:15 AM

The jabbercut is basically a jab with your palm turned up. It travels from your face, in a downward then upward arc about 4 inches, designed to lift the chin. U must be very careful of his right hand doing this, its nice if u combine it with a left hook or and overhand right after. I have caught alot of guys with it but u gotta be prepared for what happens after, either have a combo ready to flow into or dont do it because u will get nailed if u dont move quick or hit with a combo. Judah used it well against Kostya, he slipped left and right and as he slipped left again he had it loaded and leaped into it. Naseem uses the same thing as well. As i said u can get nailed if u do it to much and they expect it.



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From: 5 o clock shadow
Date: 22-Nov-02 03:14 AM

LEMon,

I tend to use the jabber-cut when I tilt backwards from a blow. Without resetting, I'll fire the lead hand out and up-wards. Bruce Lee has a picture of this in the Dao of Jeet Kune Do labeled as "the elusive lead." I also like to use the jabber-cut from a slip to the left. As I am coming up, I fire the jab outwards. Due to the angle of my stance, it is most comfortable for me to hold my fist facing up.

martinburke,

I heard that Ali had a certain technique, a flick that he would use on the end of his flicking jabs to cut people. Some people said he picked it up from a Karate guy. I remember Mills Lane talking about it once on a documentary. He said that Ali would cut people up like he had a razor.

fos

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From: martinburke
Date: 22-Nov-02 02:28 PM
Edited:22-Nov-02 04:00 PM

wanderer-I don't know if it was 100% true;he may have been stretching the truth a bit as far as the frequency.But I've seen a few photos of him doing that very thing.

As far as being a dirty fighter,well,it's human nature.It's not like we're throwing kisses to begin with.A punch to the head with murderous intent differs from a thumb to the eye only in degree.

fos:I think most people would find a palm-up jab more comfortable in that instance(after slipping to the left-especially from the peekaboo).don't know why it's not taught more.

About that Ali technique-you can't do it so much with the gloves today,but back then you could flick the tip of an open glove and it would pop like a whip,especially after it had gotten wet.

He wasn't the only one to do it.There was guy called Orlando Zulueta(sp?)who couldn't break an egg,but he'd slice people open like that,too.

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From: Sobolewski
Date: 22-Nov-02 03:14 PM

lefthooker: Are you writing a book? If so, I'll be one of the first ones in line to buy a copy! Great stuff!

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From: lefthooker
Date: 22-Nov-02 06:18 PM

Me and a friend of mine who trains fighters at Gleasons wrote a boxing manual. We have the first copy completed.

This is just an excerpt from our manual.

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From: Sobolewski
Date: 23-Nov-02 03:21 AM

Let us all know when it's available! Seriously!

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From: Bramacharya
Date: 24-Nov-02 11:49 AM


ttt

This is the kind of information I’ve been looking for, would definitely be interested in obtaining a copy of your manual.


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NOTE: posted to the Underground's Boxing forum.




Originally posted to this site on Dec 22, 2008 - edited today Nov 27, 2013 to mirror my old site's posting of Dec 5, 2002. Copied from http://stickgrappler2.tripod.com/ug/lhjab.html.

Tuesday, February 26, 2002

attn: m.g thread started by armbar612 (more on basketball drills)

attn: m.g thread started by armbar612 (more on basketball drills)

Subject:
From: armbar612
Date: 23-Feb-02 | 06:40 PM

I hope Bolo or roy won't mind. This forum is the only way for me to reach m.g.

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m.g,

First, your posts about solo training have been great. I remember you posting solo drills on pinning someone down (the basketball drills.)

Do you mind posting these again.

That would be great.

Thanks, armbar612


Subject: RE: INFO
From: armbar612
Date: 24-Feb-02 | 06:17 PM

ttt


Subject: RE: INFO
From: armbar612
Date: 25-Feb-02 | 10:31 AM

ttt


Subject: RE: INFO
From: m.g
Date: 25-Feb-02 | 11:52 AM

I have several holddown or pin drills.

Some require the use of a basketball but not all.

Again these drills aren't original in fact one holddown drill I borrowed from Roy (it the shoulder exercise push drill. It is always better to work your muscle in the same manner you use them. So these drills on his websight are excellent for holddown drill work).

Basketball drills: basically lay ontop of the basketball and roll forward. Also try this: you're on top of the ball elbows are into your body with both forearms flat on the ground. From here do a sit out, that is place you legs as if your doing a kesa gatame. However keep you elbows into your body and your forearms on the ground. The purpose of this drill is to practice doing the sitout movement while stablizing your weight on the ball.

I have a few other drills I do with a basketball including a triangle drill.

But I can't post that now because I don't have the time (I"m at work) BUT I will do it later today when I have more time.


Subject: RE: INFO
From: armbar612
Date: 25-Feb-02 | 12:38 PM

Thanks. That's a drill I could use.

No worries about the other ones. Post them whenever you have the time.

Thanks again,

Armbar61


Subject: RE: INFO
From: Stickgrappler
Date: 25-Feb-02 | 04:55 PM

armbar612,

i do not think i got all of m.g's posts on the basketball, but i got one of his posts archived on 1/23/02 - check out my site:

http://go.to/stickgrappler

i have 3 basketball drills threads archived.

HTH.


Subject: RE: INFO
From: armbar612
Date: 25-Feb-02 | 05:02 PM

Thanks stickgrappler I just visted your site.


Subject: RE: INFO
From: Stickgrappler
Date: 25-Feb-02 | 05:30 PM

not a prob. glad it helped. if m.g posts his triangle drills (or anyone else has more to add) i'll archive!


Subject: RE: INFO
From: m.g
Date: 25-Feb-02 | 07:28 PM

Stickgrappler,

Thanks man! You saved me alot of time. What I was about to post is archived on your sight.

Here are a few more things I do when doing holddown drills with the basketball: Most of the time people practice holddowns with the basketball as if their just doing the head to head position (also call the 69 position, but I hate that name for obvious reasons) that is, as they apply pressure to the ball their legs are spread apart. From here alot of people put their hands behind their back and spin around the ball making sure their legs are spread and the have constant pressure on the ball. This is good. But not all hold down position are executed that way so it is good to change them to match other hold down positions like the mount.

In the archived post on Stickgrapplers site I have already described some holddown drills with the basketball for the "kesa" or scarf hold. And I even described how to do the "clock" movement for the clock choke with a basketball. Here is a simple one for the mount. As you're applying pressure to the ball bring the soles of your feet together so that your legs are forming a diamond. This is one of the position you take when you do the mount. It is also the position your body is in when you have the back mount and have applied your hooks and the opponent is face down. Aside from that when I'm in this position I do a few shadow cross chokes. It is kind of tough because as you arch you back alittle to apply pressure (like you do when you do the cross choke from the mount) to enforce the power of the choke you can definitely feel it on your stomach. The pressure is so tough that you can't do to many with out losing your breath (this is an excellent gage of the pressure your applying because of the physic law of "reaction" that is, - for every force there is an opposite and equal reaction - therefore as your applying pressure to the ball the ball is applying the same force back onto you). Nonetheless it is a good way to work on the core muscle that are used when doing this technique EXACTLY in the same way you use them when doing this technique.


Subject: RE: INFO
From: armbar612
Date: 25-Feb-02 | 07:40 PM

Thanks again m.g!


Subject: RE: INFO
From: Stickgrappler
Date: 26-Feb-02 | 04:41 PM

m.g,

not a prob. u keep posting like this, i will be archiving :-)

glad to help out with people who give so freely of their time and experience.

Posted to the Underground forum's Q&A: BJJ.




Other entries about the Basketball Drill can be found here:




NOTE: Posted as-of Feb 26, 2002 on Nov 22, 2013 to mirror my old archives - http://stickgrappler.tripod.com/ug/basketball4.html. Pageviews at the time of copying over from old archives to this site was 1,708.

Friday, February 22, 2002

Angles, angling, ... thread started by LEMon with some great tips by lefthooker

Angling and creating angles thread started by LEMon

Subject:
From:LEMon
Date: 12-Feb-02 | 06:49 AM

Lets have a thread on angling and angles coz i believe this is vital to Boxing and MMA. Obviously footwork ties in heavily with this.

I was taught to circle away from the powerhand by my first coach, while using the jab to distract while i angled out to my right (his left against an orthodox) to set up my right hand/cross so i'd hit him almost from the side/45 degree angle.

Now in theory i always worried if this would set my jaw up to be an easier target for his jab (in the same way it was easier for my cross) but in practice i could always land the right hand better in the form of an overhand over his jab thus having better effect.

The Jab seemed invaluable in setting up/opening up angles when used with shifting sideways (lateral) and circling footwork.

My Q is i want to know more about angling and angles......how to set them up with my footwork and how to drill it/develop angles etc. Also how to avoid giving up angles !!

The other Q is i see alot of people have problems keeping their angle long enough because the opponent steps around to rid themselves of the angle.

Thanx guyz i think this hasnt been covered in much details out there (my gym) and in here.


Subject: RE: INFO
From:lefthooker
Date: 12-Feb-02 | 10:10 AM

I've got quite a few moves that create angles set up saved, I'll post them later.

Subject: RE: INFO
From:lefthooker
Date: 12-Feb-02 | 02:25 PM

Here ya go LEMon, some nice moves that create angles.

1)While throwing a lead right hand, step a little to the left and forward with your lead foot.

After the punch is thrown pivot on the front foot to your left so that you are right between the other boxers legs.

A pivot works well, forsome others a little jump step to your left will also work.Then you are in perfect position for a straight right hand. Your opponent should be totally off balance. This is from a square stance. The front leg should be straight at the other boxer.

2)Against a jab parry with the left and pivot at the same time. It is a real easy move. Parry with the right and jump step to the right is another move that creates an angle.

3)Some trainers teach that the only time you should punch when the other fighter is punching is when they jab.

Then catch the jab and throw an outside pivot jab to set up a straight right hand so that you are between the other boxers legs. It works very well.


Subject: RE: INFO
From:lefthooker
Date: 12-Feb-02 | 02:34 PM

4)Try this, jab stepping forward, as the jab lands step a little further back with your back foot.

Then bring your front foot back to your normal stance.This will increase the distance between you and your opponent. He should not be able to reach you with a jab or a straight right hand. As he steps forward, step diagonally with your front foot and pivot. You should end up between his legs.

Throw the hardest and straightest right hand you can. Don't rush the punch, you should have time to get set.

5)Being in a fairly square stance, catch your opponents jab, at the same time take a diangle step backward. You will be going to the right and backward. You should be able to come back with a quick combination, either start with the jab or straight right hand.

6), try this combination: straight right, bring it back roll your thumb and overthrow a right uppercut and then a left hook. works especially well if you have an angle.

7)Try the moves out first. Have you ever tried using a pivot jab? With your front foot forward straight at your opponent, jab at his right shoulder at the same time push your right foot so you pivot on the left toe.

Your jab will land on his face because he thinks it is coming at his shoulder he won't block it. Then continue with a barrage of rights and hooks. It works better then it sounds.

8)Remember: Don't punch when the other guy is punching, pivot away and take an angle of attack. When both guys punch at the same time it becomes a matter of luck.


Subject: RE: INFO
From:e. kaye
Date: 12-Feb-02 | 03:52 PM

Just throw combos and move your feet. Use multiple jabs. It will take at least a three punch combo to cover your footwork so the opponent can't see what you are up to. If you aren't throwing punches you will never change the angles. If you are defending the story is little different. If the opponent is coming in on you, then creating the angles will depend on your ability to parry and move your feet at the same time.


Subject: RE: INFO
From:martinburke
Date: 12-Feb-02 | 09:33 PM

Wow.Great thread.

Sometimes I come on here,and I'm struck by how bad I am at trying to communicate with the written word.

I'm more the grunt-and-demonstrate-type in person.More a case of "Watch me.Do it like this.Noo,your other left hand.":) When I read lefthooker's reply,I that realized that I often leave points out,assuming a guy would just naturally fall into the groove.

Like pivots.

Pivots seem a minor point,but they're so important.Stepping to the side and pivots go together like...well,like Tyson's teeth and Lewis' thigh.

Learn to use them,and you'll learn to love them. Not only will they set up angles,but they'll also allow you to expend less energy to get there.

Hat's off to you,lefthooker


Subject: RE: INFO
From:lefthooker
Date: 13-Feb-02 | 06:33 AM

I've got a friend who trains amatuer's in new york, we speak by e-mail a lot and discuss boxing tactics and moves, a lot of these came from him.


Subject: RE: INFO
From:jerker
Date: 13-Feb-02 | 08:19 AM

what exactly do you do when you pivot? / J


Subject: RE: INFO
From:Jeff Rockwell
Date: 13-Feb-02 | 10:55 AM

Here's something I picked up from a guy I met at the outdoor gym at Venice Beach about a year ago. He said he trained a lot with Benny Urquidez. Anyway, his footwork was great and he and I worked this angling combination for a bit - 1. Throw a left jab to the face 2. Throw a right cross, simultaneously taking a circling step to your right 3. Immediately throw a left hook to the body...if you've done it fast enough, should be towards his solar plexus 4. Throw a straight right at his chin. The idea is to get to his side so he has to turn to face you, hit him low to bring his hands down, then clean his clock with the right to the chin. This being said, I don't like the first cross that you throw, it's hard to get any power on it since you're circling right as your throwing it. It works as a distraction, but not much of a shot. So I tried coming up with another combination that fits my body mechanics a little better and allows me to throw power shots every time. This time, I'm going the other direction. I realize I'm circling towards his power hand, but a rule hasn't been made that can't be broken now and then, right? 1. Left jab to the face 2. Step left, hard right to the body 3. Hard left to the body 4. Right hook/overhand to the head 5. Plant hard and straight left cross to the chin

Rarely do you get to throw this many shots in a setup, but the principles are solid - circular/angling footwork as you're entering, changing levels, and punching in combination. Play with it and see what works.


Subject: RE: INFO
From:Stickgrappler
Date: 14-Feb-02 | 11:16 AM

check out the kickboxing q&a, there's some stuff posted there also.


Subject: RE: INFO
From:LEMon
Date: 15-Feb-02 | 08:18 AM

SWWWWEEET answers guys.


Subject: RE: INFO
From:catch24
Date: 20-Feb-02 | 02:23 AM


why dont we continue with angling strategies and set-ups and archive this baby.


Subject: RE: INFO
From:lefthooker
Date: 20-Feb-02 | 06:36 AM

yo stickgrappler, if there's no mods around to archive this thread, would you like to save it on your site?


Subject: RE: INFO
From:LEMon
Date: 20-Feb-02 | 09:50 AM

catch24 is correct please lets conitnue!!


Subject: RE: INFO
From:lefthooker
Date: 20-Feb-02 | 12:58 PM

LEMon, this thread will be gone very soon, so if you want start a new thread and we'll continue it there.


Subject: RE: INFO
From:lefthooker
Date: 20-Feb-02 | 12:58 PM

LEMon, this thread will be gone very soon, so if you want start a new thread and we'll continue it there.


Subject: RE: INFO
From:Stickgrappler
Date: 20-Feb-02 | 01:14 PM

LH, sorry, been busy with work. i have it saved and definitely will be putting to my site. Posted to the Underground forum's Q&A: Boxing.




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