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Friday, November 10, 2017

John Styers By Carl Cestari

John Styers
By Carl Cestari


Most people have only been exposed to John Styers work through the book "Cold Steel".




It is important to remember that first and foremost this book outlines a BASIC course of close-combat instruction. The elements covered in this system include bayonet, knife, stick and unarmed combat. Styers developed this "system" for BASIC training.

The framework of all of these methods remains CONSISTENT through out. The fundamentals for employing the bayonet, knife, unarmed combat and even the stick work are ALL the same.

Note in particular the "stance" used for the bayonet, the knife, and for unarmed engagement. SAME stance. The "body" mechanics involved in all the methods presented are at their core foundation ALL similar. This in itself shows "genius".

What we see in "Cold Steel" is NOT the STYERS method! It is a "system" that STYERS developed for use in BASIC training. John Styers was a man of both great knowledge and SKILL in a number of man to man combatives.

Those who knew Styers personally have told us about his vast interest, knowledge and proven skill in a number of close-combat methods. From the "French" style of bayonet fighting, to "Russian" knife fighting, to boxing, wrestling, jiujitsu, and of course "dirty" fighting.

As concerns the STYERS knife work as shown in "Cold Steel" it must also be considered that this was but a SMALL part of Styers overall skill and ability in KNIFE FIGHTING. Again this was a system of BASIC TRAINING!

Other sources show this quite demonstrably. The man was a MASTER of bladework.

Now the knife sytem taught in "Cold Steel" is excellent. The "problems" that are often cited by others has FAR MORE to do with a lack of understanding in the tactics and techniques as "they" present them, than it does any practical faults in STYERS method.

ON TO THE METHOD.....................................

First, Styers was training men for battlefield COMBAT! NOT for a "duel". He assumed (rightly so) that in the so-called "fog" of war men will revert to pure "animal" instinct and move right in for the "kill". Think about this! During the frenzy of real combat you and your enemy are REDUCED to fighting with knives. Men are killing and being killed ALL AROUND YOU. YOUR natural instinct for SURVIVAL will seize you by the throat. You will grip that knife as strongly(your LIFE NOW depends on THIS ONE WEAPON) as possible and MOVE RIGHT IN FOR THE KILL!(WASTE ANY TIME and someone else is going to KILL YOU) You are NOT going to "spar" or "duel", you ARE going to KILL, survive and move on to your next threat or objective. Styers KNEW what real "kill or be killed" combat was like. He realized that MOST men in this dire situation will instinctively SEIZE their knife either in an "overhand" or "ice-pick" grip or an "underhanded" type "hammergrip". They will ATTACK with a determined KILLING intent. THAT IS THE BASIS for the Styers method!

Now the "elements" of Styers method rest on BODY position, ARM position, and KNIFE position.

Here is where so many "experts" go right OFF TRACK. Forget any "technique", thrust, slash or "whatever". WITHOUT the FOUNDATION of proper BODY, ARM, and KNIFE position all the "technique" in the world is MEANINGLESS!

Without a REAL understanding of Styers FUNDAMENTAL tactic and what MUST be done to make it EFFECTIVE, all THIS becomes NO MORE than two guys trying to cut and stab each other. THIS IS NOT what Styers envisioned.

On to the "meat & potatoes":



1. Stance-

Whether you assume the "Styers" position from a "classic" fencer's pose, as Styers demonstrates(for continuity) or simply advance(lead leg) retreat(real leg) one pace, as long as your UPPER torso remains square and you body rests "springlike" on your legs you're doing OK. BALANCE must be rested on your center point and the rear heel RAISED. Toes and KNEES pointed FORWARD!

KEY POINT: Body SQUARED. Torso ERECT. Chin PULLED IN. BALANCE centered. Rear HEEL RAISED.

2. Arm Position-

Gripping the KNIFE: Blade vertical to ground. Thumb EXTENDED down backstrap. Slight upward CANT or "cocking" of blade.

Weapon bearing hand and arm: Pulled IN. Upper arm slightly BACK from vertical. Elbow tucked into, not away from side. LOWER ARM raised on a plane EVEN with opponents THROAT/EYES. Weapon hand SHOULD NOT break the latreral plane of the upper torso! THIS IS KEY!

Offhand hand: Pulled in just like weapon bearing hand.

COMMON ERRORS:

Wrong foot placement.

Leanining over or into the opponent.

Chin/Head THRUST out.

WEAPON HAND EXTENDED and/or SPLAYED OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Read THAT AGAIN!

Knife LEVEL with ground and NOT POINTED at opponents EYES/THROAT!

Offhand SPLAYED out to side.

Now the WHY'S that make this method succeed or FAIL.

First, try this experiment(THIS IS SOMETHING YOU MUST DO). Don't even talk about this "method" if you HAVE NOT honestly followed this example:

Grab a REAL SHARP FIGHTING KNIFE. EXTEND IT at FULL arm's length with shoulder "twisted" in for added reach.

Tell your training partner to DISTANCE himself from the weapon to a RANGE where he feels at a combatively "SAFE" range. Have someone measure that distance.

PULL your weapon arm in to a 3/4 extension and repeat. Have someone measure that distance.

PULL in FURTHER to a half bent 90 degree position and repeat.

NOW pull the weapon back to the hip and do it all again.

COMPARE the measurements at each "distance". MOST people will REMAIN quite consistent in the ACTUAL "measured" distance of safety from tip of weapon. THEY will ALMOST always MOVE in as YOUR arm moves back, BUT the "measured" distance remains very close between ALL the given positions.

THAT is the KEY to Styers.

Extend your arm and knife all the way OUT. Your partner maintains that critical safety zone FROM the tip of your very real and sharp blade. COULD YOU cut or thrust him EASILY from that position? Not really. A committed BODY lunge or step is about all you could do to close the "gap". Too slow.

NOW-Pull that arm ALL the way in so that it barely breaks the lateral plane of the body. AGAIN, your training partner will have a DEFINITE tendency to MAINTAIN the measured distance of the safety zone, but HE will MOVE in. The actual measured distance between him and the tip will vary little. HIS safety zone is STILL his safety zone.

What HAS changed is your ABILITY to REACH HIM in the fastest most NON telegraphed manner.

FROM the PULLED IN arm position, SQUARED TORSO, and BALANCED stance you can execute the most rapid, cobra-like attacks or counter-attacks with a great amount of RANGE.

ANY position OTHER than this one, taken by your enemy WILL put him at a SERIOUS dis-advantage. He will almost ALWAYS be offering YOU something, whereas YOU will be offering NOTHING.

His range and speed will be effected by HIS position. Your range and speed will be ENHANCED by YOURS.

IMPORTANCE of BLADE POSITION: Keep that blade tip POINTED at the angle stated. WHY? At that angle it is MUCH more difficult for the opponent to gauge the size and length of your blade. May seem like a MINOR "point", but in a real KNIFE fight I'll USE anything that MAY give me an edge.

TECHNIQUE:

Thrust - front view

Thrust - side view



ALL you REALLY need is a thrust, a snap-slash (DO NOT use the back snap cut with this!), a "stop-hit", and the "hand-cut". The step over and stab is also useful.


In-Quartata

Passata -Sotto



If "In-Quartata and Passata-soto" are NOT comfortable for you, DON'T use them! Since BOTH of these moves are MEANT as "defensive" counter-attacks against an OVERLY committed assault they are NOT mandatory.

The FIVE moves stated above are MORE than enough. PRACTICE THEM moving forward, backward and flanking left and right. I personally DO NOT train the "back" snap cut on the "snap-slash" because I know of an incident in a real fight where the knife was dislodged from the grip on the "return" when the target reflexively pulled his shoulder up after taking the first slash across the right temple and eyes. This is the story I have heard so I won't comment further.

TARGETS: As far as "targets" go...............well the BEST real world advice I can offer is just GO for FLESH! If you see skin, GO FOR IT!

Fingers, hands, wrists, throat/neck and face. The "step over and stab" SHOULD be saved for the coup d' grace.

John Styer's influence was really BROUGHT to bear AFTER WWII. His methods were developed during the Korean War era, long after his discharge from the USMC.

AND........................His job as a FLAG salesman is what brought him into contact with military bases and servicemen ACROSS the country!

There are more anecdotes and more info but this is enough for now.

I always get a "kick" when guys dismiss different methods and/or ideas out of hand. Then when I ask them to "show me", they get the WHOLE d**n thing WRONG! Of course it looks like nuts. BECAUSE YOU"RE DOING IT LIKE nuts!

Ok, hope some of you got some useful insight.



Carl Cestari began his study of the martial arts with judo at the age of 7 under the direction of Yoshisada Yonezuka. During the past forty plus years Carl has dedicated his life to studying the martial arts, hand to hand combat systems, history and religion. What makes Carl unique is his combination of martial arts, law enforcement and military and real world experience. Carl has been exposed to a multitude of people with a wide variety experience. The following is a list of some of Carl’s ranks and honors:

Shinan (Founder) Tekkenryu jujutsu Ryokudan (6th degree) Koshinkai Karate under John Burrelle Godan (5th degree) Jujutsu under Clarke of the World Jujutsu Fedaration (now defunct) Sandan (3rd degree) Nippon Kempo under Narabu Sada Nidan (2nd degree) Judo under Masafumi Suzuki Shodan (1st degree) Judo under Yoshisada Yonezuka Shodan (1st degree) Shukokai Karate under Kimura, Kadachi and Yonezuka Shodan (1st degree) Daitoryu Aikijujutsu Instructors Certificate- Charles Nelson System of Self Defense under Charlie Nelson .






Stickgrappler's Note: IIRC, this piece was written by Carl Cestari on the old defunct SelfDefenseForums. Don't recall if the original post had pictures or not. I took the liberty to add pictures to Carl Cestari's text.



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Wednesday, October 25, 2017

Inktober Day #25 - John Styers' Targets



Day 25 of Inktober... day 25 of drawing a picture a day in the month of October. Staying with John Styers from the past 2 days, today's focus is on his targeting.

In case you missed my previous pictures on Targeting as well as my previous Styers' and related posts:


Below are my notes and comments. HTH!



From John Styers' "Cold Steel" (1952)
Page 67


TARGETS

After the fight you'll probably want to wipe off your blade. But if you don't hit anything you won't have to clean it; as a matter of fact, if you don't hit anything, your opponent probably will and what he hits will be PART OF YOU.

LOOK for targets on HIM, and let them feel your steel. IN A KNIFE DUEL, ANY TARGET IS A GOOD ONE TO BEGIN. THE KILL, HOWEVER, IS THE ULTIMATE.

Here are your targets:

  1. The hand that holds his blade.
  2. The heart which pumps his blood.
  3. The throat which contains his windpipe and blood supply to and from his head.
  4. His chest area which contains his lungs, heart, diaphragm and various other things he'd rather not have punctured.
  5. His back, below the shoulder blades. Thrust the knife INBOARD, toward the center of his body. Work your knife handle back and forth; this will do far more damage than a single thrust. In any portion of the back, chest, stomach or throat area PUMP THE HANDLE OF YOUR KNIFE.

Comments

Sometimes in Life one has a specific goal in mind, a target if you will. And if the target is obstructed, and won't be easy to achieve/access, then what does one do? Keep going for for the target? If you have your mind set on putting the square peg in the square hole, but you keep finding a circular hole, do you keep trying to force the square peg in?

Do not fixate on a target. Learn to flow. Look for the opening to your target but if obstructed, flow, take the target given to you! As Styers says above, "In a knife duel, any target is a good one..." Earlier this month, I attended a Terry Trahan knifefighting seminar. On targeting, he taught something to the effect of  go for the large targets.

Recall the Kelly McCann quote (writing as Jim Glover, in Guns & Ammo, May 1995):

"Any time sharpened steel meets flesh, flesh loses. Once the fury of flashing steel begins, it is almost impossible to stop without sustaining injury. That is the reality of a knife attack. That is what makes a knife so dangerous to fight against."



My drawings for Inktober 2017 - drawing at least 1 pic each day in October:


Tuesday, October 24, 2017

Inktober Day #24 - John Styers' Passata Sotto




WOW! Cannot believe I have been fairly consistent (outside of 2 days) in this Inktober project of drawing a picture a day. A week left!!

For today's topic in my knifefighting research, I'm revisiting the Close Combat classic, John Styers' "Cold Steel", specifically the Passata Sottto (I noticed too late my typo on 'Passato' in my picture).

In case you missed my previous Styers' posts and a related post:


As always, I hope this post, this project, as well as this site helps you in your Sojourn of Septillion Steps!



From John Styers' "Cold Steel" (1952)
Pages 68-70


Captions

  1. For an enemy attack, feint a low attack; draw his weapon low.
  2. When the opponent lowers his blade, attack his hand or wrist. (undrawn)
  3. Whip the blade up for a thrusting cut to your opponent's head.
  4. Attempt a straight thrust for your opponent's head or throat. (undrawn)

Notes


PASSATA SOTTO

Another means of getting your blade into your opponent, other than the direct manner from the guard position, is to perform a passata sotto in which you merely BEND THE TORSO VERY LOW and to the LEFT from the guard position. Thrust directly into the LOWER RIGHT CHEST or ABDOMINAL AREA of your opponent. This is a fine attack against an opponent who raises his right arm high in his attack, or otherwise exposes his lower right side. In some instances a left step may accompany the attack. This movement is also excellent for FAKING a low cut, drawing your opponent's blade low, whereupon you strike for his HAND, FOREARM or HEAD. If he refuses to be drawn low, you may safely risk an attack on his KNEE CAP.

Styers' Passatta Sotto is the Yang to the Yin of Bob Kasper's "Passata Sotto".

One concept, many techniques. Anytime you learn a technique, think broadly my Friends.

  • If you can feint low, you can feint high.
  • If you can attack high, you can attack low.
  • If you can feint low and attack high, then you can feint high and attack low.

Analyze and research the underlying concept of what makes the technique work. Play/explore the variables/factors. This is the Art of Learning!

One concept, many techniques.



My drawings for Inktober 2017 - drawing at least 1 pic each day in October:


Monday, October 23, 2017

Inktober Day #23 - John Styers' In-Quartata (or Out-of-Line)



Day 23 of Inktober ... continuing my research into knifefighting. Today's focus is on John Styers's In-Quartata. In case you missed my previous entries on John Styers, please check out:



Below is my transcription straight from the Close Combat Classic, Cold Steel.



From Cold Steel (1952)
By John Styers
Pages 56-60


  1. The in-quartata or out-of-line starts from the guard position. Conceal the nature of your attack until opponent is in range.
  2. When opponent rushes into range, thrust home and apply power with the rear leg, directing the body to the right side.
  3. Your rear leg will push off and swing to the right, pivoting the body out of line with the oncoming rush of your opponent.
  4. The full pivot out of line, with your rear foot solidly planted. Retain your full thrust, letting the opponent cut the blade out. If you attack an enemy from the rear or flank, try a straight thrust to the throat with the full edge, not the point, of your blade. Immediately draw the knife back, snapping the cutting edge of the knife across opponent's throat, making two cuts.

IN-QUARTATA OR OUT-OF-LINE

The defensive movement in fencing known as in-quartata or OUT-OF-LINE is a fine movement of the feet which throws the body approximately three feet out of the line of your opponent's attack if he attacks with so much force that you do not choose to be there to meet it with a stop thrust.

From your guard position, knees slightly bent, you execute a full thrust as the torso vigorously pivots, assisted by the free arm whipping back.

You will also utilize the FULL POWER of your REAR leg to pivot the whole body on the FORWARD leg. Your rear leg swings around in an arc and lands on the opposite side. Your entire stance should now look like a full sabre thrust from a sabre stance, but YOU ARE AT AN ANGLE TO YOLR OPPONENT.

Your opponent's momentum will carry him over your original position, by about two or three feet. There will be no need for you to withdraw your blade from your opponent, his momentum will carry his BODY OUT OF THE BLADE!




My drawings for Inktober 2017 - drawing at least 1 pic each day in October:


Sunday, October 15, 2017

Inktober Day #15 - John Styers' On-Guard Stance



Wow! Outside of 2 days last weekend when I went to a Terry Trahan's Weaslecraft seminar that made me late with 2 daily pictures, I've been able to draw/post a picture a day. When I started this, I didn't think I would be consistent enough to produce a picture a day. Here we are at the half-way point of the month!

Today's picture is of John Styers' knifefighting guard stance. In case you missed my previous drawings of knifefighting stances:





NOTES
  • The Guard position. Left arm free. Knife arm drawn back.
  • Side view. Major portions of the body will not be extended into opponent's range.


"Tips
  1. Keep your feet at about a 90 degree angle.
  2. The blade is drawn in, close to the body, and held in an unbroken line from your elbow to the point.
  3. Shoulders face the opponent squarely.
  4. Torso and head are held erect.
  5. The arm on hip should swing free, but care must be taken to prevent it from extending beyond the hand which holds the knife.
  6. Your blade points directly at your opponent's throat. PRACTICE all the points of the proper stance until you can draw your blade on command of "On Guard!" and instantaneously snap into the perfect position without losing a second to make major adjustments.


PRACTICE all of the points of the proper stance until you draw your blade on command of "On Guard!" and instantaneously snap into the perfect position without losing a second to make major adjustments.

PRACTICE until ALL of the points in the ON GUARD position become coordinated into ONE natural movement.

ALL OF THE ATTACKS AND DEFENSES OF THE SKILLED KNIFE FIGHTER ORIGINATE FROM THIS GUARD POSITION."




My drawings for Inktober 2017 - drawing at least 1 pic each day in October:


Thursday, October 05, 2017

Inktober Day #5 - Bob Kasper's/Kni-Com's "Passata Sotto"

Today is the 5th day of Inktober in which one draws a picture a day during the month of October. My focus for my drawing are the martial arts and self-defense. Looking to be decent enough to capture the essence of a technique or concept by drawing.

My drawing is of the Passata Sotto, specifically as taught by the late Bob Kasper.

Hope this helps you get creative and draw as well as including the Passata Sotta into your martial arts!




"Bob Kasper's Tactical Knives" (2011) by Bob Kasper/Kni-Com
Pages 59-62
Originally published Tactical Knives November 1997



"Passata Sotto" (Pass Low) ['P.S.']

  1. P.S. introduced to US Marine Corps by Col. A.J. Drexel Biddle
  2. P.S. was first seen in Biddle's 1936 "Do or Die"
  3. Further explained by one of Biddle's assistant instructors John Styers of "Cold Steel" fame
  4. "Do or Die" - P.S. is counter to a high attack
  5. "Cold Steel" - same as Do or Die and also taught as a fake prior to counterattacking high
  6. Biddle/Styers' idea – draw opponent low to set up high counterstrike
  7. Kasper took P.S. one step further – opposite of Styers' P.S. "fake" - high fake to P.S.
  8. Kasper considered Styers' P.S. method being the most practical – deep double knee bend and deep forward bending of the waist – used in conjunction with forward lunge, it angles body to left, placing head to side and not forward toward adversary
  9. 2 most street effective striking techniques used with P.S. - straight thrust and horizontal backhand slash
  10. Straight Thrust – thrown straight out from weapon-retention position toward target. Use natural grip and turn blade flat to ground as it approaches target. Works well with rolling shoulder action of P.S. The intended target is the leg or abdominal region.
  11. Horizontal Backhand Slash – for rightys, left to right, with blade flat to ground. Primary edge is forward. Natural grip – moving into adversary with tremendous velocity. Need secure grip. Intended target – fleshy area immediately above kneecap.
  12. The Fake – Commit to the technique with intent to make contact. If miss, sets up P.S.
  13. 2 good fakes – Forward and backhand slash to face. Lunge in deep and slash. Immediately bend knees and waist to drop body low and strike.
  14. Forward Horizontal Slash to face sets up Backhand Horizontal Slash to knee
  15. Backhand Horizontal Slash to face sets up Low Straight Thrust. Path – slash high, circle back to retention, straight thrust to target


MY THOUGHTS

  • Bruce Lee's/JKD's 5 Ways of Attack – P.S. is ABD (Attack By Drawing)
  • Check Dog Brothers Martial Arts' 3 Knee Attacks (Top, Salty, Crafty) and "Kangaroo"
  • In the old HEMA manuals, I recall seeing P.S. with the Complementary Hand placed on the ground for support. Kasper keeps his Complementary Hand in what he calls "Vertical Shielding" to guard that side of his body



My previous drawings for Inktober 2017 - drawing at least 1 pic each day in October:


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